2019-02-08, 09:31
  #1453
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Knns fortfarande som en sak fr Hgsta domstolen i frsta hand och inte fr en enskild medborgare att avgra om presidenten inte lngre r tillgnglig. men det r heller inte mitt primra argument hr utan det r det faktum att vi aldrig lr oss ngonsin nr det gller interventioner. Guaid erknns av 20+ nationer, 150+ gr inte det. Samtidigt fldar propagandan och #FakeNews:

Aid Trucks Arrive as Maduros Forces Dig In at Border Bridge
The first shipments of U.S. humanitarian aid for Venezuela arrived at the countrys western border Thursday, setting the stage for a clash with the government of President Nicolas Maduro, who has pledged to block the supplies.

Two trucks arrived in the Colombian border town of Cucuta, and took the supplies to a warehouse next to an unused bridge that connects the countries. More deliveries are expected soon, though the scale of the need is immense. The supplies will be sent into Venezuela next week, opposition lawmaker Gaby Arellano said in a phone interview.

Venezuelas security forces used freight containers and a tanker trailer to cut off the span, and are patrolling the dry riverbed nearby.

Juan Guaido, the Venezuelan National Assembly leader recognized as the countrys rightful leader by more than 30 governments, is using the aid to pressure Maduros authoritarian regime and demonstrate his ability to help the masses. But Maduro has said the effort is a pretext for invasion, and theres no sign that his armed forces will let the shipments through.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...el-foreign-aid

Men den bron har aldrig varit ppen:
Fue concluido a principios de 2016, pero debido a la crisis entre Venezuela y Colombia de 2015 y el cierre fronterizo de Venezuela el puente no ha sido abierto oficialmente.3​
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puente..._Las_Tienditas

Inte mnga rtt dr i Bloombergs artikel s jag hoppas att du inte har hmtat din tolkning av Venezuelas konstitution drifrn.
Att det ligger enskilda medborgare str stipulerat i artikel 350, s dr har du fel.

Angende bron s r den officiellt stngd men naturligtvis farbar, men nr hjlpsndningarna kom stllde diktaturen fyra lastbilar p tvren fr att hindra sin befolkning att f de lkemedel de behver. Diktaturen ser allts hellre sin befolkning lida och d n att ta emot lkemedlen. Standardfrfarande fr en diktaturer kanske, men humanitrt orimligt, vilket ytterligare r ett bevis p vad vi har att gra med.
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2019-02-08, 09:40
  #1454
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Att det ligger enskilda medborgare str stipulerat i artikel 350, s dr har du fel.

Angende bron s r den officiellt stngd men naturligtvis farbar, men nr hjlpsndningarna kom stllde diktaturen fyra lastbilar p tvren fr att hindra sin befolkning att f de lkemedel de behver. Diktaturen ser allts hellre sin befolkning lida och d n att ta emot lkemedlen. Standardfrfarande fr en diktaturer kanske, men humanitrt orimligt, vilket ytterligare r ett bevis p vad vi har att gra med.
Det finns grnsvergngar som r ppna. Sedan kan man ju frga sig varfr USA hller p med det schizofrena att anfra tuffa sanktioner som slr mot civilbefolkning och inga andra vad n som psts fr att sedan skicka hjlpsndningar. Sist man gjorde det som i Syrien s slank det med en del annat ocks. S det r nog en sund instllning att frhindra varje frsk till att frakta "hjlpsndningar" frn USA.

Och det tl att upprepas: jag hoppas verkligen att Venezuela kommer att kunna ta sig ur det socialistiska trsket men att objektivt och frutsttningslst diskutera det med dig r nog krt. Du har redan antagit vokabulret "regim" och diktatur" s varfr inte ppet sga att du stder den neokonservativa linjen fr vr planet? Med en lng rad av lyckade interventioner.
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2019-02-08, 09:47
  #1455
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Har inte skrivit om ngot hot, bara lade in att de r aktiva i landet. Sedan om det r positivt eller negativt har jag ingen sikt om

Att ha shiamuslimska terrorister inp knuten kan aldrig ngonsin betraktas som positivt..
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2019-02-08, 09:52
  #1456
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"Random Dude" r inte s mycket "Random Dude" enl. vissa:

The Making of Juan Guaid: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuelas Coup Leader
Before the fateful day of January 22, fewer than one in five Venezuelans had heard of Juan Guaid. Only a few months ago, the 35-year-old was an obscure character in a politically marginal far-right group closely associated with gruesome acts of street violence. Even in his own party, Guaid had been a mid-level figure in the opposition-dominated National Assembly, which is now held under contempt according to Venezuelas constitution.

But after a single phone call from from US Vice President Mike Pence, Guaid proclaimed himself president of Venezuela. Anointed as the leader of his country by Washington, a previously unknown political bottom-dweller was vaulted onto the international stage as the US-selected leader of the nation with the worlds largest oil reserves.

Echoing the Washington consensus, the New York Times editorial board hailed Guaid as a credible rival to Maduro with a refreshing style and vision of taking the country forward. The Bloomberg News editorial board applauded him for seeking restoration of democracy and the Wall Street Journal declared him a new democratic leader. Meanwhile, Canada, numerous European nations, Israel, and the bloc of right-wing Latin American governments known as the Lima Group recognized Guaid as the legitimate leader of Venezuela.

While Guaid seemed to have materialized out of nowhere, he was, in fact, the product of more than a decade of assiduous grooming by the US governments elite regime change factories. Alongside a cadre of right-wing student activists, Guaid was cultivated to undermine Venezuelas socialist-oriented government, destabilize the country, and one day seize power. Though he has been a minor figure in Venezuelan politics, he had spent years quietly demonstrated his worthiness in Washingtons halls of power.

Juan Guaid is a character that has been created for this circumstance, Marco Teruggi, an Argentinian sociologist and leading chronicler of Venezuelan politics, told The Grayzone. Its the logic of a laboratory Guaid is like a mixture of several elements that create a character who, in all honesty, oscillates between laughable and worrying.

Diego Sequera, a Venezuelan journalist and writer for the investigative outlet Misin Verdad, agreed: Guaid is more popular outside Venezuela than inside, especially in the elite Ivy League and Washington circles, Sequera remarked to The Grayzone, Hes a known character there, is predictably right-wing, and is considered loyal to the program.

While Guaid is today sold as the face of democratic restoration, he spent his career in the most violent faction of Venezuelas most radical opposition party, positioning himself at the forefront of one destabilization campaign after another. His party has been widely discredited inside Venezuela, and is held partly responsible for fragmenting a badly weakened opposition.
Fortstter hr: https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/...s-coup-leader/

Nu kan vissa ha synpunkter p kllan men lyfter man in neokonservativa analyser och stkust-MSM #FakeNews s tycker jag att jag kan lgga in sdant hr fr att balansera s.a.s.
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2019-02-08, 12:17
  #1457
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Att ha shiamuslimska terrorister inp knuten kan aldrig ngonsin betraktas som positivt..

Nej troligtvis inte
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2019-02-08, 18:26
  #1458
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Det finns grnsvergngar som r ppna. Sedan kan man ju frga sig varfr USA hller p med det schizofrena att anfra tuffa sanktioner som slr mot civilbefolkning och inga andra vad n som psts fr att sedan skicka hjlpsndningar. Sist man gjorde det som i Syrien s slank det med en del annat ocks. S det r nog en sund instllning att frhindra varje frsk till att frakta "hjlpsndningar" frn USA.

Och det tl att upprepas: jag hoppas verkligen att Venezuela kommer att kunna ta sig ur det socialistiska trsket men att objektivt och frutsttningslst diskutera det med dig r nog krt. Du har redan antagit vokabulret "regim" och diktatur" s varfr inte ppet sga att du stder den neokonservativa linjen fr vr planet? Med en lng rad av lyckade interventioner.
Vad skulle vara kontroversiellt med ordet regim?

Diktatur baserar jag p det faktum att valet uteslt den viktigaste delen av oppositionen. Om du vill kalla en sdan ordning demokratisk och samtidigt kallar mig en omjlig diskussionspartner har du redan avsljat en hel del om dig sjlv som jag redan misstnkt om dina bevekelsegrunder.
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2019-02-08, 18:29
  #1459
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"Random Dude" r inte s mycket "Random Dude" enl. vissa:

The Making of Juan Guaid: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuelas Coup Leader
Before the fateful day of January 22, fewer than one in five Venezuelans had heard of Juan Guaid. Only a few months ago, the 35-year-old was an obscure character in a politically marginal far-right group closely associated with gruesome acts of street violence. Even in his own party, Guaid had been a mid-level figure in the opposition-dominated National Assembly, which is now held under contempt according to Venezuelas constitution.

But after a single phone call from from US Vice President Mike Pence, Guaid proclaimed himself president of Venezuela. Anointed as the leader of his country by Washington, a previously unknown political bottom-dweller was vaulted onto the international stage as the US-selected leader of the nation with the worlds largest oil reserves.

Echoing the Washington consensus, the New York Times editorial board hailed Guaid as a credible rival to Maduro with a refreshing style and vision of taking the country forward. The Bloomberg News editorial board applauded him for seeking restoration of democracy and the Wall Street Journal declared him a new democratic leader. Meanwhile, Canada, numerous European nations, Israel, and the bloc of right-wing Latin American governments known as the Lima Group recognized Guaid as the legitimate leader of Venezuela.

While Guaid seemed to have materialized out of nowhere, he was, in fact, the product of more than a decade of assiduous grooming by the US governments elite regime change factories. Alongside a cadre of right-wing student activists, Guaid was cultivated to undermine Venezuelas socialist-oriented government, destabilize the country, and one day seize power. Though he has been a minor figure in Venezuelan politics, he had spent years quietly demonstrated his worthiness in Washingtons halls of power.

Juan Guaid is a character that has been created for this circumstance, Marco Teruggi, an Argentinian sociologist and leading chronicler of Venezuelan politics, told The Grayzone. Its the logic of a laboratory Guaid is like a mixture of several elements that create a character who, in all honesty, oscillates between laughable and worrying.

Diego Sequera, a Venezuelan journalist and writer for the investigative outlet Misin Verdad, agreed: Guaid is more popular outside Venezuela than inside, especially in the elite Ivy League and Washington circles, Sequera remarked to The Grayzone, Hes a known character there, is predictably right-wing, and is considered loyal to the program.

While Guaid is today sold as the face of democratic restoration, he spent his career in the most violent faction of Venezuelas most radical opposition party, positioning himself at the forefront of one destabilization campaign after another. His party has been widely discredited inside Venezuela, and is held partly responsible for fragmenting a badly weakened opposition.
Fortstter hr: https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/...s-coup-leader/

Nu kan vissa ha synpunkter p kllan men lyfter man in neokonservativa analyser och stkust-MSM #FakeNews s tycker jag att jag kan lgga in sdant hr fr att balansera s.a.s.
r man fr dum fr att kunna lsa en rtt enkel konstitutionstezt s kanske det r ngot som r svrt att fatta att parlamentets ordfrande per automatik blir landets interimspresident. Fr oss andra r detta ngot rtt sjlvklart.

ven om en minoritet i Sverige vet vem som nu r vice statsminister s ndrar det inte p det faktum att denna blir statsminister vid statsministerns frnflle.
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2019-02-08, 18:39
  #1460
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Vad skulle vara kontroversiellt med ordet regim?

Diktatur baserar jag p det faktum att valet uteslt den viktigaste delen av oppositionen. Om du vill kalla en sdan ordning demokratisk och samtidigt kallar mig en omjlig diskussionspartner har du redan avsljat en hel del om dig sjlv som jag redan misstnkt om dina bevekelsegrunder.
Det r skert s men den dr jvla checken frn ambassaden dyker aldrig upp. :ramt:

Hursomhelst verkar det hela snart vara ver:

What the Hell Is Going On? How a Small Group Seized Control of Venezuelas Opposition
The plan to unseat Nicols Maduro came together quickly and secretly, taking many within the countrys notoriously fractious opposition by surprise
VenezuelaWhat appeared to be a carefully calibrated policy to oust Venezuelan President Nicols Maduro was actually a big gamble by a small group of opposition leaders acting on a hastily assembled plan.

The strategy marked a coup of sorts: this one within the countrys notoriously fractious opposition, which had been locked in debate over whether to negotiate with Mr. Maduro or take more direct action.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-th...6?redirect=amp

Freslr att oppositionen samlar sig istllet och anvnder de demokratiska mekanismer som finns. Men det r ju klart, r man bara som samlad grupp en minoritet s blir det lite svrt att ta makten utan vld.

Frresten, jag r ganska sker p att jag kan f ihop en stadig grupp mnniskor som anser att den nya svenska bastardregeringen borde avsttas. Undrar om Trump nappar p det och stller upp med militr och sanktioner.


Frgar t en kompis.

Och ni som tycker att Venezuela befinner sig i ett helt annat lge med en stor pgende kris. Jag sger; vnta bara!

Edit: lnk.
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2019-02-08, 18:40
  #1461
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r man fr dum fr att kunna lsa en rtt enkel konstitutionstezt s kanske det r ngot som r svrt att fatta att parlamentets ordfrande per automatik blir landets interimspresident. Fr oss andra r detta ngot rtt sjlvklart.

ven om en minoritet i Sverige vet vem som nu r vice statsminister s ndrar det inte p det faktum att denna blir statsminister vid statsministerns frnflle.
Enl. din tolkning s ska "random dude" kunna avgra presidentens legitimitet. Den tolkning fr st fr dig.
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2019-02-08, 19:26
  #1462
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The Economic Policies that Ruined Venezuela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK_CgcHrgNA
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2019-02-08, 21:11
  #1463
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"Random Dude" r inte s mycket "Random Dude" enl. vissa:
Gjorde en snabb koll p wikipedia. Sidan om Guaido skapades 6 januari 2019, s ngot ligger det i att han inte var s knd tidigare, i alla fall inte utanfr Venezuela:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...ldid=877047259
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2019-02-08, 22:05
  #1464
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The Economic Policies that Ruined Venezuela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK_CgcHrgNA
Du har rtt men du behver kliva tillbaka minst trettio r i tiden. Hungriga r de:

Maduro nos mata de hambre:

https://minfil.com/wbJdo5t8b0/maduro...stodeath-s_jpg
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