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(Since you write in English I will reply in English, and this is by extension directed to any other English speaking readers)
These kinds of conspiracy theories are probably quite attractive to someone who is not native to Sweden and familiar with the odd customs, sexual mores and general political climate here. To a seasoned observer who has spent a lifetime immersed in our particular Swedish brand of folly, it is not a conspiracy as much as a very unhappy accident, at least initially. In short, the two women were "wikileaks groupies" (although the use of the word groupies would seem like an insult to real groupies all over the world.)
The fragmentary information about the more active of the two indicates that she was genuinely fearful (almost neurotically fearful) of catching an STD. Also she is a Christian and may have had fears of getting pregnant and views about getting an abortion in such a case. They found out by accident that Assange had had sex with both of them just a day apart. Jealousy, anger and worry probably played some part in how they acted that week. In general both women may have been rather confused, as is their right of course. I feel this is OK.
Regrettably also the police, and some people at the prosecutor's office, seem to have have been able to match (and surpass) the level of the two women's confusion. To me this is not OK.
That more powerful entities at a later stage would seek to exploit what happened we can take for granted. But the initical cock-up seems to me to be a very Swedish affair.
Read this paragraph you wrote over, and think about it. Surely not even the Mossad would be able to precisely engineer this level of random fucking idiocy. "Neat" is not the word I would use. I've seen traffic accidents and piles of dog shit that were more 'neat' than this whole affair.
However, there are probably more strange and random connections related to the later stages of this mess, and some diligent flashbackers who never seem to sleep are looking into them when they have time. And keeping their ears and eyes open. This is a good place to consult if you are curious about the Swedish part of the Assange matter. Taken with a grain of salt, Flashback is probably one of the better journalistic Swedish research forums on the net. I certainly trust unfiltered Flashback posts a lot more than the filtered and biased garbage that main stream media wants to feed us. At least there is no centralized agenda here. Everyone gets a shot. Now and then someone finds a little gem. You can rest assured that Swedish MSM folks scour this place religiously for news, leads or just gossip.
If there is something you need translated or don't understand, just ask. Someone here may help you. This is a strange community of outcasts but I think it's safe to say that we all believe in free speech.
There was one recent interesting post about how the early contacts with the police unfolded. Not sure what Google Translate does for you English speakers here but you can try: https://www.flashback.org/sp28062147
The post in short: a source says there was SMS traffic between the two women, which suggested the rape accusations were without merit. The police then helped the two women put their stories traight about these SMS's. And: if Marianne Ny had known more about this SMS traffic early enough, she may not have pushed the matter this far.
(I know Flashback is a Swedish language forum, but I would say do feel free to participate anyway. I think I am in the majority if I would say I can tolerate the odd English-language post here as opposed to you trying to google-translate it into very broken Swedish and then post that text. I am obviously not a moderator, it would be good if a moderator would clarify that/if English language posts are OK in this thread, since this is a matter of importance far beyond the linguistic and physical borders of Sweden)
Det är vad även jag hoppas på. Det vore ju väldigt trist om nåt skulle hända JA. Jag hoppas de tar hotbilden mot honom på allvar (mordhotad av amerikanska toppolitiker och mediaprofiler etc)
Det kan vara ren cynism och inget mirakel. Vi vet fortfarande inte vad han har lagt i sin livförsäkringsfil. Det kan dock vara så olyckligt att nån kommer åt honom, utan att tänka på detta eller förstå konsekvenserna. Jag citerar mig själv igen: https://www.flashback.org/p27889658#p27889658
Man hoppas JA varit så listig att försäkringsfilen är gjord i ett antal klumpar, avsedda att kompromettera de farligaste motståndarna var för sig. En klump som klämmer åt USA. Det lösenordet får CIA. En klump som är pinsam för Kina. Det lösenordet får kineserna. Likaså för Mossad och ryssarna. På så sätt kan inte Mossad få för sig att knäppa JA i syftet att tvåla dit alla de andra.
Man kan hoppas, men det ska mycket till att tänka så många schackdrag i förväg. Antagligen är det ett arkiv med blandat smågodis och löften om att det finns mer undangömt, och att det blir mycket värre för alla inblandade om JA skulle plockas bort.
Dock var ju förhören konceptförhör? Så de "vittnesmål" som finns i förundersökningen (eller vad man ska kalla den) är bara en polismans tolkningar... av kvinnornas tolkningar.
Jag tycker det verkar finnas mycket svängrum för Anna och Sofia att fundera över vad de minns och vad som egentligen hände, och om polis/åklagare/media eventuellt har hetsat dem att tänja på sina tolkningar.
Jag tycker inte det känns som om någon har hotat Anna eller Sofia till tystnad här. För min del vädjar jag endast till deras förnuft och samvete, att de kanske kan överväga att backa om de är i en position som de har blivit manövrerade in i och inte känner sig helt bekväma i.
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The whole affair looks like a standard Mossad smear campaign. A small favour to the US from friends who do these things better than anyone else not the least by utilising good connections within most main media
- sink Wikileaks’ reputation
- scare people off from future leaks
- prepare the ground for “competing” and more tame versions of Wikileaks
- maximum damage financially, both short and - most important - long term
It’s a classic honeytrap using Ms Wilen after learning of the invitation of Assange to speak and stay in Stockholm for awhile. Ms Ardin and her entourage are the useful idiots in this show (naively pro-palestine, sexually liberated, well positioned in a specific political sphere in Sweden, mostly vain and utterly political correct). The sudden homecoming and seduction is a more private affair on Ms A’s part, but would’ve been very handy and DNA via a saved condom is certainly a bonus.
Ms Wilen would have been the one suggesting they see the police asserting fear of STD and Ms Ardin would certainly believe herself to be the initiator..
- sink Wikileaks’ reputation
- scare people off from future leaks
- prepare the ground for “competing” and more tame versions of Wikileaks
- maximum damage financially, both short and - most important - long term
It’s a classic honeytrap using Ms Wilen after learning of the invitation of Assange to speak and stay in Stockholm for awhile. Ms Ardin and her entourage are the useful idiots in this show (naively pro-palestine, sexually liberated, well positioned in a specific political sphere in Sweden, mostly vain and utterly political correct). The sudden homecoming and seduction is a more private affair on Ms A’s part, but would’ve been very handy and DNA via a saved condom is certainly a bonus.
Ms Wilen would have been the one suggesting they see the police asserting fear of STD and Ms Ardin would certainly believe herself to be the initiator..
(Since you write in English I will reply in English, and this is by extension directed to any other English speaking readers)
These kinds of conspiracy theories are probably quite attractive to someone who is not native to Sweden and familiar with the odd customs, sexual mores and general political climate here. To a seasoned observer who has spent a lifetime immersed in our particular Swedish brand of folly, it is not a conspiracy as much as a very unhappy accident, at least initially. In short, the two women were "wikileaks groupies" (although the use of the word groupies would seem like an insult to real groupies all over the world.)
The fragmentary information about the more active of the two indicates that she was genuinely fearful (almost neurotically fearful) of catching an STD. Also she is a Christian and may have had fears of getting pregnant and views about getting an abortion in such a case. They found out by accident that Assange had had sex with both of them just a day apart. Jealousy, anger and worry probably played some part in how they acted that week. In general both women may have been rather confused, as is their right of course. I feel this is OK.
Regrettably also the police, and some people at the prosecutor's office, seem to have have been able to match (and surpass) the level of the two women's confusion. To me this is not OK.
That more powerful entities at a later stage would seek to exploit what happened we can take for granted. But the initical cock-up seems to me to be a very Swedish affair.
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The lawyer CB’s is one of the useful idiots and is also triggered by a bad need of comeback from the disaster of the Thomas Quick-case including wanting revenge on chief prosecutor Finne – she dropped the Assange-case initially. CB’s an old mate of prosecutor Ny, who has a radical view of crimes of sexual nature against women. It’s very neat; JAs reputation is destroyed, money sources to Wikileaks cut by intervention by US near-government and Mossad-friendly figures.
Why send JA to the US? No need. Damage is done. Ms Ardin did not travel as planned to the holy lands after this business. Shows she’s got some brains – she should get off this carousel a s a p.
Why send JA to the US? No need. Damage is done. Ms Ardin did not travel as planned to the holy lands after this business. Shows she’s got some brains – she should get off this carousel a s a p.
Read this paragraph you wrote over, and think about it. Surely not even the Mossad would be able to precisely engineer this level of random fucking idiocy. "Neat" is not the word I would use. I've seen traffic accidents and piles of dog shit that were more 'neat' than this whole affair.
However, there are probably more strange and random connections related to the later stages of this mess, and some diligent flashbackers who never seem to sleep are looking into them when they have time. And keeping their ears and eyes open. This is a good place to consult if you are curious about the Swedish part of the Assange matter. Taken with a grain of salt, Flashback is probably one of the better journalistic Swedish research forums on the net. I certainly trust unfiltered Flashback posts a lot more than the filtered and biased garbage that main stream media wants to feed us. At least there is no centralized agenda here. Everyone gets a shot. Now and then someone finds a little gem. You can rest assured that Swedish MSM folks scour this place religiously for news, leads or just gossip.
If there is something you need translated or don't understand, just ask. Someone here may help you. This is a strange community of outcasts but I think it's safe to say that we all believe in free speech.
There was one recent interesting post about how the early contacts with the police unfolded. Not sure what Google Translate does for you English speakers here but you can try: https://www.flashback.org/sp28062147
The post in short: a source says there was SMS traffic between the two women, which suggested the rape accusations were without merit. The police then helped the two women put their stories traight about these SMS's. And: if Marianne Ny had known more about this SMS traffic early enough, she may not have pushed the matter this far.
(I know Flashback is a Swedish language forum, but I would say do feel free to participate anyway. I think I am in the majority if I would say I can tolerate the odd English-language post here as opposed to you trying to google-translate it into very broken Swedish and then post that text. I am obviously not a moderator, it would be good if a moderator would clarify that/if English language posts are OK in this thread, since this is a matter of importance far beyond the linguistic and physical borders of Sweden)
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Ursprungligen postat av Callas
Men alltså, det är en fängelsebyggnad där rättegång/förhandlingar ska hållas... mycket möjligt att det är för Assanges egen säkerhets skull. Alla där är inte terrorister.
Det är vad även jag hoppas på. Det vore ju väldigt trist om nåt skulle hända JA. Jag hoppas de tar hotbilden mot honom på allvar (mordhotad av amerikanska toppolitiker och mediaprofiler etc)
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Ursprungligen postat av FlygandeFlundran
Att killen lever fortfarande anser jag som ett jävla mirakel... om han hade blivit mördad skulle det väl visserligen vara lite väl uppenbart vilka som hade legat bakom mordet, genom att få honom anklagad för våldtäkt så finns det ju fortfarande en liten chans att CIA inte ligger bakom... typ
Det kan vara ren cynism och inget mirakel. Vi vet fortfarande inte vad han har lagt i sin livförsäkringsfil. Det kan dock vara så olyckligt att nån kommer åt honom, utan att tänka på detta eller förstå konsekvenserna. Jag citerar mig själv igen: https://www.flashback.org/p27889658#p27889658
Man hoppas JA varit så listig att försäkringsfilen är gjord i ett antal klumpar, avsedda att kompromettera de farligaste motståndarna var för sig. En klump som klämmer åt USA. Det lösenordet får CIA. En klump som är pinsam för Kina. Det lösenordet får kineserna. Likaså för Mossad och ryssarna. På så sätt kan inte Mossad få för sig att knäppa JA i syftet att tvåla dit alla de andra.
Man kan hoppas, men det ska mycket till att tänka så många schackdrag i förväg. Antagligen är det ett arkiv med blandat smågodis och löften om att det finns mer undangömt, och att det blir mycket värre för alla inblandade om JA skulle plockas bort.
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Ursprungligen postat av f-boy
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Du menar på fullt allvar att man i domstolsförhandlingar i Sverige ska börja ta hänsyn till och kunna referera till enskilda inlägg här på Flashback????????????
Yupp, det räcker säkert inte med ett enda men en bunt såna från ett antal mycket välkända formum + en bunt e-mail (AA och SW har garanterat fått såna) och kommentarer från hela världen på AAs twitter så bör äklagaren kunna visa att det skett påtryckningar på AA och SW. Den samlade effekten är att varken AA eller SW är trovärdiga om de ändrar sina vittnesmål nu.
Ursprungligen postat av MeMajk
Du menar på fullt allvar att man i domstolsförhandlingar i Sverige ska börja ta hänsyn till och kunna referera till enskilda inlägg här på Flashback????????????
Dock var ju förhören konceptförhör? Så de "vittnesmål" som finns i förundersökningen (eller vad man ska kalla den) är bara en polismans tolkningar... av kvinnornas tolkningar.
Jag tycker det verkar finnas mycket svängrum för Anna och Sofia att fundera över vad de minns och vad som egentligen hände, och om polis/åklagare/media eventuellt har hetsat dem att tänja på sina tolkningar.
Jag tycker inte det känns som om någon har hotat Anna eller Sofia till tystnad här. För min del vädjar jag endast till deras förnuft och samvete, att de kanske kan överväga att backa om de är i en position som de har blivit manövrerade in i och inte känner sig helt bekväma i.
Jag personligen hade tyckt det varit kul om flashback citerades och refererades inom den svenska rättsapparaten. Flashback är ju ett medium som alla andra. som Aftonbladet eller Expressen, men med aningen lite mer trovärdighet
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